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BH99's avatar

I can understand this position a lot more for Americans because of their history. It's the "European" Brits that amuse me, they rarely if ever speak another European language, let alone live and work there.

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> A good example of this is the almost total global monopoly on ‘prestige male dress’ of the Western business suit, which in no way ‘works’ for the climatic conditions of most of the planet. What works are things like traditional Chinese silk robes or the Arab thawb. The business suit can be made to work anywhere via air conditioning, but inherently it’s an inferior garment for warm climates. If China had industrialised before the West, Europeans would probably be shivering in silk robes and cranking up the heating to compensate.

This is not how it works. It could and did get quite cold in northern China during the winter--Beijing gets an average of 11 snowy days every year, and most winter nights drop below freezing. And furthermore, a Western business suit absolutely will not protect you against any sort of serious cold. Pre-20th century people in cold climates wore clothing in multiple layers. A 19th century bourgeois man in winter didn't just have a suit (which was usually much more practical than a modern one--for instance the lapels could often be buttoned together to form a closed collar to retain heat), he had an overcoat (which could be of fur if he was rich enough), a hat, gloves, maybe even a cape or cloak on top of all of that. A Chinese person likewise who felt cold would simply put on more clothes on top of the clothes they were already wearing. The modern Western suit is made for the "climate" of a dry, air-conditioned or heated indoor space, and basically nowhere else. It is hot in the summer, cold in the winter, and provides no protection against wind or rain. It superficially resembles the clothes Europeans used to wear, but the resemblance doesn't go much further than that. It has virtually no utilitarian value at all and is pure decoration. I think that if Chinese or Arabic clothes became the bourgeois uniform, much the same process would have happened (and in the case of Chinese clothes, only the most expensive would be silk; you'd be better off imagining polyester robes!). Industrialization makes climate far less important and everyday clothing ceases to have much relationship to the weather. "Prestige" clothing does this most of all because the whole point of prestige clothing is signaling that you do not have to work outside or exert yourself.

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